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"The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM
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Courtesy of BBCA:
Isabella is desperate to prove her loyalty to the Prince and win the Sheriff's job. News arrives that King Richard is dead, and Robin tries to stop Prince John's hasty coronation.
I will be out with the grandkids and preparing an Irish feast for the evening, therefore.....I will post my comments on Sunday, since that's when I'll probably be watching this episode. LOL!
Happy Halloween/Samhain to All!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM
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Thanks, Maryrose! Anticipating another good episode tomorrow night.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Happy All Hallows Eve to one and all.
Pokeygirl
Will be giving out candy and scaring the general populace along with DH as we are Morticia and Gomez this year.
The only thing I have a hard time with is that pesky skirt. (How on earth did Carolyn Jones and Angelica Hughes manage it????!! Ugggh.
Happy Halloween everybody!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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im probably gonna be helping the church with their Trunk or Treat(im going as Robin Hood  ), so i wont see the new episode till later. ill comment then.  Ya'll have fun and dont eat too much candy!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 31, 2009 7:39 PM
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My DH called from work a short time ago. "I suppose you won't even get up to greet me when I get home," he said (he gets in at 9:30, right in the middle of RH).
Then he added "I can't compete with Gizzy! The washboard abs, the chiseled profile. I'm no match!"
LOL! How pitiful is that?! He didn't shave a couple of days ago, then came up and rubbed his face on my cheek. "See? Like it? Guy stubble!"
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 31, 2009 8:40 PM
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Guy stubble? That is too funny!
~Shell
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 31, 2009 8:51 PM
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Pretty rough, too--he scratched my face! LOL!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 31, 2009 10:16 PM
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This episode is somewhat of an enigma to me. Very important things happen; PJ's claim to the throne is undermined, Izzy becomes Sheriff, and Guy is now her prisoner.
Besides that:
-The wax figure really disturbed me for some reason, especially the scene where PJ bludgeons it. The figure seemed really out of let feild.
-Kate was actually useful and somewhat cute when she was wenching it up in the tavern.
-Funniest line of the night Robin "If he were dead, I would feel it" (What??)
-Guy Fan Service A: tied to a bed (who can blame that maid for leaning closer?) B: snarling in a cage, your own pet Guy
-Izzy, Izzy, Izzy, her manipulation knows no bounds, she is the most schitzoid character
-Allan is falling for Kate too, but Kate obviously has a girly little crush on Robin... *sigh*
Still not sure how I feel about this episode...
I love the one comng up next week, major character development.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oct 31, 2009 10:41 PM
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I thought this episode was pretty decent. Im not sure why Robin thinks he would "feel it" if King Richard was dead. Im not really sure what that means.
Kate was doing a pretty good job being a "drunk wench". She's starting to earn her own place in the gang now. Her running to Robin when he shows back up at the camp and kissing him again was a little much. I think we all know Kate likes Robin. No need to shove it in our face. I just feel bad for Much and Allan. Much needs to remember Eve an he'll be fine. Allan on the other hand, doesnt get a girl, which i think is very unfair. I know hes good with nuns an all, but hes so cute and witty, i dont know how he doesnt have a chick.
And Isabella being her usual self. She did end up getting the sheriff job though. Shes gonna do whatever it takes to get what she wants. I cant imagine giving my own brother 'to the sharks' Even if he had done what Guy did to her, i still couldnt. speaking of Guy, Im a Robin girl all the way, but he was looking pretty swoon-worthy tied up to that bed.
I thought the sword fight was pretty good between Robin and ?Sheredian?. For an old man, he still gave Robin a run for his money. And we got to see Robin be an escape artist again.:)
Did anyone else think that the stuff guarding the crown was just a little reminiscent of the strong room? It was kinda like the same thing all over again, only they were stealing a crown instead of money.
Well i gave yall my 2cents worth, so i think ill call it a night.  Looking foward to reading everyone elses posts later. Happy Halloween ya'll!
~Shell
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 3:45 PM
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For me, the best part about Robin stealing the crown was his hasty exit, where he managed to hit every string coming back out. Watching him scrambling madly while the arrows flew all around him was so funny!
Just to clarify the above---it wouldn't have been funny if we knew he was in any danger of being hit, but come on, he's Robin Hood!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 1:02 PM
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Your own "pet Guy in a cage"! LOL!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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TS whipping up the tears for his brother were hilarious. God I love PJ..? Long live me.? LMAO. I love Toby?He is going to economize by using rubies instead of diamonds. LMAO.
Robin?s comment about feeling the King?s death, kind of weird. Come now does anyone believe that Kate was smart enough to put the candle by the King? Djaq right but we can all agree Kate is no Djaq. Best Kate I have ever seen her pull off is the drunk bar maid. (I know she is a better actress than this role allows)
I also have to say I am sick and tired of everyone betraying Guy all the time every time. He trusts someone, he believes them and then they turn on him again. I know some of you think he deserves this because he is pure vicious and evil but come on already! Come on even a baddie needs one or 2 sidekicks that are loyal. He must have some goodness in him to trust his sister again after she betrayed him what 3 or 4 times already? He cannot be that gullible without some goodness. UGH? Give Guy a crumb already.
I do have to be thankful for the tied to the bed bit. I so cannot blame the maid for getting closer. What team leather gal would not agree?
I am sorry I just cannot like Tuck his voice annoys me to no end.
oh and one more thing about Guy and his "marrying off" his sister. I still do not think he did such a horrid thing. I mean how could he have known this Thornton was so bad? He found a suitable man for his sister to marry and provide a comfortable life so he thought for her. He was a kid they were hungry and alone. What were her options back then? the nunnery? Yeah right she would make a great postulate.or an arranged marriage. She did not have the option of attending University to get a higher degree and becoming a landowner or say a business woman unless prostitution was considered a profession. I cannot completely fault him so much here. (I know I do not find all that much fault in him but this not so much.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Being a staunch Team Leather member, I agree on Guy. He has this pathetic need to trust someone (he must be so wretchedly lonely and miserable by now), but every time he does he gets betrayed. Isabella is the worst. She really knows how to play on his feelings. Every time she convinces him to let his guard down with her (plays the same trick with Robin, too), and every time she uses it to her advantage.
In his mind he's totally convinced he did nothing wrong by marrying her off. He believes he did what was in her best interests, and his, and obviously can't understand her anger at him. He sees it as her fault for not making the most of the opportunity she was given. But give him a break. He's a 12th-century male, not a 21st-century sensitive new age man.
Tied to the bed bit--yes, another fan-girl moment! Do you suppose RA ever protested these scenes? "Aww, come on! You're gonna tie me up again? And another shirtless scene? Do you have any idea of the kind of mail I get from fans when you do that? It's embarrassing!"
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 3:49 PM
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I agree the scenes can be at times questionable poor fellow but it has inspired us team leather redemption and savior complex women to be very loyal and breathless.
As far as Guy's evil nature I believe he cannot be pure incarnate evil like so many have suggested through the seasons if he still continues to have trust. Even if this is misplaced trust it show a need to be part of something bigger and in order to trust you have to have some sympathy at times for others. He cannot run all black. This duplicity of character is what I love best about Guy. His shades of dark and light.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 3:58 PM
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Me, too. I have never, right from the get-go, believed that Guy is evil. Bad, yes, at times brutal, but not evil. Evil implies a complete disregard for the feelings of others, an inability or unwillingness to show empathy for others. Selfish to the core, and taking pleasure in cruelty for its own sake. The Sheriff is/was evil, but Guy has a better side to him that shines through. Guy doesn't like what he's become, but the Sheriff gloried in his own evilness and had no qualms about it.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 4:41 PM
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well put...
he loathes at times what he has become but I recall the the line something like"Had he not arranged her marriage they would be still in some god forsaken corner of France with out a penny or an acre to our name."
I believe he does what he had to do...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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True. I think Guy often goes against his conscience and better judgment to do what he believes is his duty, even when he hates himself for it. Part of that dark/light character we Team Leather people find so fascinating.
In Isabella's case I see nothing in his actions that indicate he deliberately "sold" her into an abusive marriage just to be cruel. He felt he was doing the right thing at the time. The unfortunate thing for him is that he can't seem to humble himself enough to apologize to her and make it right. But perhaps that's partly her fault---her attacking, accusing manner. Guy has had it with people humiliating him.
Robin stopped Isabella as she was about to kill Guy while he was unconscious, and said to her "What about what HE might have to say?" Even Robin recognized that the story had two sides, and Guy might have a case.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 1:47 AM
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1. Toby Stephens is REALLY doing it up good as the pompous PJ ! ! !
2. Gisborns growling like a bear, just to coveniently done.
3. Somebody on that writing team must have liked what that small oriental guy did to get through the lazer beam obsticals in "Ocean's Eleven" (?).
When I first saw that, it didn't hit me, then suddenly, I realized where I'd seen something like that - "Ocean's Eleven" - even had Robin getting through it with some pretty fancy moves (like that other guy did).
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 9:04 AM
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There's also something like that in "Entrapment." Catherine Zeta-Jones had to train months for that!!! And Robin just walks in and pulls it off! (Methinks I saw him hit one of the ropes, though....*grin*)
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 1, 2009 1:51 AM
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I just remembered - the line "If the King was dead, I'd feel it" - I think he meant that he'd been with the King so long during the Crusades battle that he knew Richard the Lionheart THAT well - he would instinctively feel that the death was true.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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This is the first episode of S3 that I've had a chance to watch, and I'm getting a few weird first impressions.
I gotta say that I'm not that impressed with Kate, but I did like her as a barmaid.
And, oh Allan, again, really?
The one scene that struck me the most was when Robin & co. were going into the crypt. In his doublet (sp?), he looks more than a little bit like Leonard Whiting from the 1968 Romeo & Juliet.
For the record, I understand completely what Robin meant by he would "feel it" if the king were dead. If you're that close to someone, you know...
I caught the "Princess Bride" reference!!! "We need a cloak." Hehe!!! Priceless!
Overall, I liked this episode, although I'm not entirely certain that I buy Isabella as Sheriff.
And Guy? I know I've missed a lot so far this season, but WOW!!! He's got himself in a bit of a situation, doesn't he??? I really need to find those earlier episodes....
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Ep. 8 is a good story along the way to the final four. Thank goodness for the departure of campy PJ - no more "Long live me", "Dicky, Dicky, Dicky" and "Wakey, wakey Archbishop." PJ could have been so much more Machiavellian if he were not played as camp. The bad and the redundant: Kate was mean to Much again (let her work in the Trip full-time, she's good with mugs), and so was Allan. Stop picking on Much, already! Also, the treasure maze theme was much better done in Booby and the Beast - the booby-trapped crown chest was utterly unutterably bogus.
The clever: Izzy's skill with potions equals Tuck's - let's have a pharmaceutical tournament and the winner puts the loser to sleep for a thousand years. The winner is exiled to Outer Slobovia. The noble: Izzy actually saved PJ's life. Even though it saved her from prison or worse, it was a valiant gesture. What once seemed far-fetched - a female sheriff - has become a fetching reality. How could we have guessed that PJ was an EEO employer?!
Danger lies ahead...and so does Izzy at every moment. She's a villainess and then some - really, she should have married the Sheriff. What a nest of vipers that would have been. Ssssss...........
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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A couple of thoughts on Ep. 8:
By my count, Robin shot two guards in the back that night when they were breaking into the Abby to see KR's "body". We sure have come a long way from Robin trying not to kill. And it didn't seem nescssary, as Little John? or someone had, I assumed, shot some sort of tranquilizer into the first guard's neck and then they hit him over the head for good measuure. It reminded me of South American natives shooting curare or somethinig through their blow guns. What with Izzy's magic "powder" and the other concoctions used this season, they don't miss Djaq and her chemical wizardry. Although in S1 they were amazed at what Djaq could do, now this stuff apears almost as a matter of course. Quite a lot of progress in a couple of years in the 12th Century!!!
Kate better, actually enjoyed her in the Inn. She has absolutely no sensitivity to the feeling of Much or Allan....blatantly gaga over Robin.....but I suppose if she really were the young girl she is portraying she might be that dense.
Robin shoots Guy at the coronation and only wounds him.....hmmmmm....you know he doesn't miss.......that's the second time in two episodes he has spared Guy's life. Guess those of us who have alrady watched S3 know why.
When Guy has Izzy up against the wall and is about to kill her with his sword......deja vu all over again? You know he was thinking of Marian.....this time he would not let it happen.........too bad Izzy does not show him the same consideration. Although I can't really blame her.......she has lost her humanity over the years and is only looking out for herself........understandable given the limited options for a woman at that time. She is not the most emotionally stable person by this time. But, as I said before, she is like Marian in her ability to think on her feet and get out of many sticky situations (maybe a testament to the lack of intelligence of the men around her!!! :))
Looking forward to next week......things really get going.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Have they(the gang) like completley given up on trying not to kill? Ive noticed that this season especially, everyone just severly wounds, or kills the guards and others. What happened to not killing unless it was absolutely necessary?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Is it me, am I just blonde or what? If Isabella is so clever with potions and such, why didn't she rid herself of her abusive husband a long time ago with one of her concoctions? Anyone else curious about this? it can't be that she feels sorry for him. She's quite ready to see her brother dead, and his "crime" against her wasn't half as bad as Squire Thornton's.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Maybe she learned her information about potions later? That might explain why Gisborne wasn't on his guard when she was "tending" to his wound.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Honestly I think she is just a poorly thought out character with an interesting premise and they ran with it without thinking it through.
Seems like she is one of those women who blames others for all their ills and is now set on revenge. If she was really running form Thornton why did she run back to her brother who she so hated for any other reason but revenge?
Seems like if she was truly escaping she would run away not back to her brother maybe take another man as her lover who would protect her and hide her from her hubby certainly not the brother who sent her there to begin with? Poorly thought out plot twist yet again by these writers.
I hate writers who assume a viewers ignorance and amnesia.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Ok, I have a silly question. Wasn't Thornton the name of Robin's former house-servant (butler?), which Guy then "inherited?"
Weird, then, that Guy's sister's hubby would also be named Thornton. Right?
I did miss a few episodes...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Did you ever see RA in "North and South"? His character in that movie was John Thornton.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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No, I never saw it. Really, that was his character's name? So, all the guys named Thornton in RH are references to RA? That's cool!
I might have to look up that title. Is it a series or a movie?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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It's a BBC miniseries. It's fantastic! It's how many came to know RA existed and he's brilliant in it as John Thornton, a cotton mill owner in the north of England. Broody and emotional with a kind and loving side. The ending is a two-hanky job.
It's pretty much available anywhere. Highly recommend it.
Also, if you catch Guy's full name in the wedding between Guy and Marian at the end of S1, Guy's middle name is Crispin, which also belongs to RA. Inside jokes abound on RH.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Just to make sure I understand you correctly: RA's real middle name, in real life, is Crispin? I did catch that name at the wedding, but I thought it was filler.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Yep. Richard Crispin Armitage.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Wonder if he kept that under tight wraps as a kid!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I like it!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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One of my friends loaned it to me last summer, as a distraction while I was recovering from cancer surgery. She said "I know you like Jane Austen movies, so you'll probably like this." I thought "North and South" was a Civil War drama---LOL! Little did I know the treat I was in for!
Of course I bought the DVD. My brother-in-law and his wife visited my husband and I this past September. They live and work in Arusha, Tanzania. She's originally from Sweden. She also loves romantic dramas, but had never seen "North and South." I showed it to her, and she loved it so much I gave her my DVD to take back with her. So now RA as Mr. Thornton is traveling around Tanzania, Africa.
I bought myself a replacement DVD, of course. Some things you just can't live without. "North and South" has become a favorite in our house, a regular view along with "Pride and Prejudice" and all the rest of my "chick flicks". Thankfully the DH also enjoys them.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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OH you MUST!!!! see North and South. not the bad one on the civil war... it is everywhere and if you have net flicks try that. It is worth it. Heck if you like RA at all just buy it straight off you will have to watch it over and over.
I am in fear of wearing mine out.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I just looked it up on Amazon. It has 377 5-star ratings. Wow!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Those 5-star ratings are well-deserved. It's a wonderful movie, and RA is simply breath-taking as the brooding, sensitive, and misunderstood Mr. Thornton.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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OOOHHH!!!! The train station ending!!!! I really did swoon over that one! Gets my vote as the most romantic ending ever!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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It is now next-up in my Netflix Queue. The DVD is $20, so I'm going to make sure I like it before I buy it.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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oh you will you will
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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best ending EVER!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Well, I can't wait to see it, then! I'll send something back tomorrow.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Oh yes, the look on his face is pure love and devotion.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I really like the character of Isabella--she's interesting in a bad way. But some things don't make sense. Yes, why run to her brother, of all people? Unless she really believed she could convince Guy of the wrongfulness of his actions in giving her to Thornton. Actually, if she had just let things alone, accepted her brother's protection, which he DID give her on condition that she have nothing to do with Robin....
Isabella gets herself into these messes because she keeps switching sides and loyalties every other minute. Guy is loyal to a fault--she's just the opposite.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I want to like her I really do and sort of did in the beginning but after her constant flip flops broke my will to want to like her...
I guess I will again blame the writers like I am prone to do...
After reading my posts I will sing this song many times ... the words go something like...when all else fails blame the writers and stay on the redemption train ... for Guy. whoot whoot... kind of like a sad disco tune.
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I find Isabella interesting as a character, but I don't like her as a person. Sort of like the Sheriff, fun to watch, but not someone you'd want as a close friend! LOL!
Guy's redemption----something I've been rooting for since season 1 episode 1!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I also noticed a reference to "The National Treasure ......." (Nicolas Cage's film, what WAS the name of that thing now ? - and they keep reshowing that thing, too)
when Robin was fitting the different shaped keys into the shaped keyholes on that chest. I didn't think of the similarity in that one until after I loggod off LATE last night.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Did anyone else notice that the Archbishop gave the warning against shedding blood in the church only after both Gizzy and RH had fired their arrows???
Why?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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The writers apparently did not proofread their own script. The Archbishop would surely have said that all weapons must be removed from the church before the shooting began. Shedding blood in a church was an excommunicable offense. The church offered sanctuary that the monarch was compelled to obey.
This show has neither been in Kansas,unlike Dorothy, nor the Middle Ages...ever. Usually, I laugh at the anachronisms; in S3, the disregard of respect for the sanctity of churches is deplorable. TPTB and the writers surely know better and chose to ignore a societal norm which was taken very seriously in that time.
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Ok, I'll buy that. But what really got me was that the Archbishop seemed to be on Robin's side, so he waits until after blood is shed, then says something to the effect of, "Anyone who sheds blood in the House of God will be comdemned to hell." Robin, having just shed blood a moment earlier, takes this comment with a shrug and a smile, which is what really bothered me. Gisborne was already sure he was in hell, so he didn't really have anything to lose by this comment, I guess. (This is not an attack on Gizzy, just an observation.) The attitudes of both Robin and the Archbishop seem to indicate that the warning only applied to the bad guys. Huh? Also, since when was bloodshed by fist-fighting any better than bloodshed by arrow in the eyes of the Church?
I apologize for the rant, but this one bothered me....
I am not coming at this from a religious standpoint, but from a "how many times can we contradict ourselves in a single scene?" standpoint.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Pj Darlin' - after paying for all the pricey guest stars this season, there wasn't any room in the budget for editors or continuity persons ..........yeah, yeah I know - there never has been for this program!
When I was much younger, back in the ...cough... sputter... ummmm... 70s, one of my neighbors was a rookie police officer and a devout Catholic. One day he told me how he was required to carry a gun at all times and how much he disliked going to Mass with it. Back in medieval times, the people seemed to be much more "religious" and would probably never disregard the sanctity of God's House by having weapons in church, much less using them. Of course, Robin et al were outlaws but still..........
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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This was not the first time weapons were brought into a church. Not to mention PJ ordering a church full of people to be burnt to the ground. Sorry, PTB, but such antics got even princes excommunicated. These guys drive me cuckoo for cocoa puffs, they really do, PJ being the prince of puffs. The Normans got Papal blessing to claim the English throne and good old William (no, not the sweet one) built many churches and outwardly professed deep faith and devotion to the church, as did many of his successors.
The show's history, and lack thereof, must have been taken verbatim from R&B's Fractured Fairy Tales, I kid you not.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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While we're beating this dead horse, I heard Robin mention someone's "ego".....I think referring to PJ(?)...........Freud must have been pleased, especially as he wouldn't be born for another 6 centuries !!!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I think all the inconsistancies are more annoying this season because the show is (more or less unsuccessfully IMHO) trying to take itself more seriously without really cleaning up all the inconsistancies/inaccurancies etc. and throwing in a totally over-the-top character like PJ. I don't mind the anachronistic things when they are funny - especially when they were part of a romantic/comedy/drama like S1 but now they are just wrong.
The Izzie as Sheriff thing - really? No woman would have been made sheriff.
The whole Guy and RH thing is just too inconsistant also. Either one of them should have killed the other about 50 times by now.
Somehow or other Ep7 made me laugh but Ep8 was disappointing.
I'm having trouble really liking any of them anymore - even RH. Yes, there, I said it, out loud... even RH. The Izzie thing, the Kate thing, the killing thing, the frown on his face most of the time, the not having even 1/2 a plan, etc., etc..
Okay - I'll go back to trying to be positive (or quiet at least) again. Sorry - I was really looking forward to the episode and then I was disappointed AGAIN.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Over the summer, when we all got restless and started watching these episodes online, someone posed the woman Sheriff question. One of the poster did research and actually found out there was record of female Sheriffdom at this time, go back through the archives and find the older discussion about this episode, it explains it a bit better.
Yeah... the no bloodshed scene was a bit strange. Why the outlaws didn't take the opportunity to run out of the church while everyone had stopped and couldn't fire at them, I'll never understand. It would seem they wanted to have afist fight, there was no other reason for them to stay, accept they wanted to beat up some guards.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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If I'm not mistaken, they still didn't have the crown...which was their reason in coming there in the first place. Don't know exactly where it dropped after Robin shot at it, but it was recovered during the fight.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Thanks - I'll go do some research . I'm surprised. I would have thought a female, even if she got to be a sheriff, would have had trouble protecting her fiefdom...
SCG - It was the crown - they left as soon as they got their hands on the crown.
If counting who the gang killed - don't forget the jailer...
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I found one... whodathunk. Of couse, she served in conjunction with the Sheriff of Nottingham.
From 1216-1218 Lady Nicola succeeded her father as Hereditary Sheriff Lady Nicola de la Hay of Lincolnshire and Constable of Lincoln Castle.
Her father, Richard, Lord de la Hay, was himself Sheriff of Lincolnshire but was removed from this office by King Richard I because he had supported the cause of Richard's rebellious brother, John Lackland. When Richard died of an arrow wound in France in 1199, John became King of England. On de la Hay's death, his daughter, Nicola, a widow, was appointed to fill his position in partnership with Philip de mark, who was already Sheriff of Nottingham -- yes, the Sheriff of Nottingham.
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Few women ever held the position of sheriff so it was all the more remarkable that Lady Nicola was confirmed in her position by John's heir, King Henry.
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Apparently she was the only one in RH timeframe and she served with the Sheriff of Nottinham - must be where they got the idea??
"During the first 600 years of the Office of the Sheriff, there have been two female Sheriffs to assume this position. In 1216, King John of Lincolnshire appointed a woman named Dame Nicolla de la Haye as Sheriff at the age of 66. Months later it is recorded that she defended Lincoln Castle from the King's enemies, such as the French Invaders, with vigor and determination. Approximately 400 years later, Lady Ann Clifford was appointed Sheriff of Westmorland. Not only was she one of the wealthiest women in England, but she could fire a crossbow as well as any man. She stood up bravely to men such as James I and Cromwell. Lady Ann was the last woman Sheriff for the next 300 years."
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Both Eleanor AND Marian would have been SO very proud, no?
Let us all raise a hearty tankard to the Ladies Nicola and Anne!
As the darlin one always liked a challenge, I have NO doubt that he would have found BOTH of these ladies VERY attractive, and downright irresistible, LOL)
(Well,...... what can you say?)
Truth is MUCH stranger than fiction, (and sometimes a whole lot more fun, by George!).
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Let's face it, if men REALLY want a fight, they're not going to let a little thing like "no bloodshed inside a church" stop them---LOL!
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Yep MM,
Come to think of it, that certainly didn't stop the drinking companions of Richard's daddy, (Henry ll), from taking matters into their OWN hands at Canterbury Cathedral, now did it?,
"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"
(Thereby giving England, and Holy Mother Church another venerated saint, one Archbishop (and former royal drinking companion himself),
one Thomas a Becket. (something that haunted Henry for the rest of his life).
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Not a direct reference to the doctor perhaps, but to a Freudian slip nonetheless, as in "ego", Latin for "I." John certainly had that pronoun memorized by heart. La-di-da-di-dah....
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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If recall, the word "ego" was not used as an "I" reference, but to his self-image or his arrogance. if you will........more in line with the Freudian concept of ego (self) than a simple Latin pronoun.
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Roger that, SCG - I just couldn't resist the pun on the meaning of ego in the extreme sense used by PJ: I, I, I, me, me, me, mine, mine, mine. And to think Freud means "joy" - one of the great misnomers of the 20th century,and it is this commodity which is sadly lacking in Sherwood as well, as far as our hero and heroine are concerned.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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To Freudians:
"the uncoordinated instinctual trends are the "id"; the organised realistic part of the psyche is the "ego," and the critical and moralising function the "super-ego."
I'm a psych nurse though I am not a freudian....
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Can you imagine Sheriff Vaisey on the couch - it boggles the mind, and all subdivisions thereof. Vaisey seems to operate solely from the brain stem - no frontal lobe activity gets in his way. His motto: I see, I want, I take. Great Caesar's ghost: megalomania seems to be rather contagious in Nottingham, first Vaisey, now PJ. Matilda's mead would come in handy right about now.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Here's my analysis...
Guy : ID and SuperEgo in constant fight - weak Ego
Robin: Id and SuperEgo in constant fight but with stronger SuperEgo and Ego
Tuck : well balanced - strong ego and SuperEgo
Vaisey: Strong Id, Strong Ego - totally absent SuperEgo
Allan: Id and SuperEgo in constant fight - so so SuperEgo and growing Ego
Much: Alot of Id, a healthy Ego and a decent SuperEgo
BB: fairly healthy Ego and strong SuperEgo
Kate: who cares?
Isabella - Id and SuperEgo in constant fight - SuperEgo is losing
PJ - Just plain whacho...
Marian - healthy Ego and strong SuperEgo
Whenever I think about Isabella - the scene from Pirates where Elizabeth asks Will whose side CJ is on and Will kinda shrugs and asks, "right now?"
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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"Kate: who cares?
Prince John : just plain whacko" ...........ROFL ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Beautiful simn!!
Well done.
GM,
as for Kate,
This just shows how shabbily the writers treated her character, (a bit of "skirt"). Instead giving the role to an actress age appropriate for the role, (she was supposed to be around Edmond's (Ruffus's son) age),
JF was forced to play her much younger and as strictly a romantic contrast to Isabella.
As a young girl, her behavior would have made more sense.
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People watching - the best entertainment in the world! Kate doesn't rate, great!
As for John, isn't there a well-used porcelain appliance named after him? It suits.
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I wondered too if that meant RH and Gizzie were doomed to hell?
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And then Robin puts down his bow, like it's going to make a differnce now, after he already shot Guy!
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Yeah, probably.
I got a chuckle out of that reference to Will's quote in the "Pirates" - he had THAT right ! ! ! (Orlando Bloom DID say there was a twist in the ending of the 3rd one, but I DIDN'T expect Will to end up being captain of Davy Jones' ship)
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I saw the exchange between Robin and Guy (when Guy was about to shoot PJ) "don't do it. With no monarch, war will erupt and tear England apart." as the beginning to their "comraderie" - that seemed like a segue (to me, anyway) to what brings RH and Guy together in the upcoming episodes.
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Yes, I was going to comment on the same thing. SoCalGal also mentioned it.
Again, we know Robin doesn't miss, so the fact that he only wounds Guy instead of killing him is interesting. He actually tries to reason with him before shooting. Quite a departure from their usual "I swear I'll kill you if it's the last thing I do" kinds of exchanges. And he only shoots Guy AFTER Guy attempts to kill PJ.
Two funny things in that scene---Prince John, coward that he is (as bullies often are) attempting to escape by crawling away while hiding behind Isabella--LOL! And Guy missing him and hitting darling little sis instead!
You gotta hand it to Guy in this one, he does do one right thing--he helps stop Prince John's coronation. Surely that's worth something to Robin. Perhaps that's part of the reason Robin chooses once again not to kill him? He recognizes that Guy is now an outlaw like himself (PJ said "your terrorist brother" to Isabella), having irrevocably lost the Prince's favor, and is hated by their mutual enemy Isabella. He knows full well just how treacherous and vindictive Isabella can be.
Just maybe there's a feeling of understanding, even the merest beginnings of sympathy, for his enemy? Robin might still hate Guy for what he's done, but he's not heartless. And he's of a generous nature. Perhaps Marian's appeal to Robin to apply his charitable instincts to someone who's been deprived of love are coming back to him.
Robin hasn't gotten to the point where he's willing to rescue Guy. He wounds him, slowing him down long enough to ensure that he's arrested. At this point he's okay with letting Guy get his just desserts. The only difference seems to be his own reluctance to be the one to dispense justice. Still, things are changing between these two.....
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Great observation MM,
Robin now realizes that the one thing that gives his life purpose, continuing to fight on, (just as he swore to his wife on their wedding day), is what must be the motive behind EVERYTHING he does from now on.
This would definitely include Marian's admonishment to apply his sense of charity even to the worst of his enemies. Every time he adheres to the principles that his late wife held so dear (so dear that she died for them), he draws closer to her.
It is such an incredibly moving, beautiful, and sad thing for both of these men, in that by being drawn together by the painful tragedy they share, they not only become closer to Marian, but to EACH OTHER as well.
SHE always knew they had it in them, (and now they're about to PROVE it..........."in front of God and EVERYONE", as the old saying goes.)
(The Lord may move in mysterious ways, but he does GET there just the same. LOL)
BTW: In her first assignment as an angel, Marian is doing rather well, no?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 13, 2009 4:07 PM
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The complicated, and ultimately deeply moving relationship between Robin and Guy is, IMO, the best part of S3. Much as they hate each other, they are irresistibly drawn toward one other as well. Whether they like it or not, their "fates" , for lack of a better word, are intertwined. I love watching these two play off each other! Looking forward to their next encounter tomorrow night.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Its almost as if they were written as one character,
One coin, but with two different sides...............
(I promise, I will cover this one in my pms along with the other "real" story info I have been able to accumulate through my FAP. If you remember our dear lady, Rose of York, she was able to catch on to the writers true direction as well.).
This miraculous relationship,
(and the priceless heritage it will leave in its wake),
whilst brought about by SO much sacrifice, did indeed make ALL of the pain and suffering MORE than worth it.
(As Marian, leading the angelic "cheering section" gets out her heavenly "pom poms" and spurs BOTH of her men on to victory...."give me an R!, give me a G!..well you get the idea....LOL. Gives you quite a picture, no?)
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Hmmm - the show was okay. I keep expecting a little better.
I must admit, I miss the sheriff.
I was amazed at all the things they appropriated - like the cape and what today would be laser lights (Entrapement came to my mind).
Regarding FT's voice - I like his voice but it is too 'big' for the show somehow. Belongs on stage in something important and dramatic.
Gizzie may look good but they really have made him befuddled and less than intelligent this season.
Yes - The gang doesn't seem to think twice anymore about killing.
Kate was at her best as a serving wench. What made the writers think we'd enjoy watching her hurt Much's feelings every week? Very odd.
I agree - Izzie would have "removed" her husband long ago.
Why is there a new dungeon? or is this some part I never noticed before. I liked the old dungeon and the old jailer.
PJ saying he was moving the capitol from London to Nottingham was perhaps the dumbest thing said in the entire series. Duh
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I thought it was the same dungeon....
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Kate as the drunken serving wench---her best role to date. She really missed her calling joining up with Robin's gang. Should have got a job at the local tavern instead.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Just a couple of questions I thought of after watching this episode again. Who was the guard at the coronation that the camera kept focusing on? He was quite tall. At first I thought maybe it was Guy disguised as a guard, but it didn't really look much like him. Hard to tell with the helmet on, however. I don't think he was any of the gang. There was a close-up of his face, and then again a short time later. Any significance to this, or just a random shot? The camera seemed to linger on him a bit too long to be just a guard in the crowd. I hope someone can help me out on this one!
Also, any thoughts as to where Guy "the terrorist" was hanging out, or I should say, hiding out, after Robin and Kate chased him off at the end of last week's episode? Obviously not in Nottingham Castle, or Locksley Manor. His first taste of outlaw life--so where was he lurking?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I went back and froze the frames in which the guard appeared - guess who? A couple of clues........
1. When King Richard aka Tuck appeared at the back of the church, the light was reflected on the shields which were the same as the guards.
2. The "guard" had a very light mustache and a tiny bit of growth on his chin, the facial hair was not dark like Sir Guy's.
3. The "guard" was quite tall when he was standing up straight.
4. Initially, the gang could have been in the church wearing guard uniforms, it would have been a simple matter for them to slip out and drop the uniforms.
My guess is that the "guard" was Robin Hood. My only doubt is that a couple of times the camera showed him moving forward slightly, not toward the rear. However, this series is not big on continuity so it is possible. Although we all know his eyes are blue, the color they appear to be depends on the lighting - at times, they seem to be green or brown. That would explain why his baby blues didn't show up well. If it wasn't him, there would have been no reason for the camera to follow him as it did.
Maybe Sir Guy was having a few cold ones at The Trip.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 8:29 PM
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okay okay I will fest up ,,, Guy was with me...
we were hiding in my rooms at the tavern , He escaped**cough*** I mean left the rooms at the inn just in time to make an attempt on the life of PJ at the church...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 8:33 PM
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LOL! Yeah, you wish! You and all the rest of us Team Leather ladies!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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well a gal can dream...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 8:43 PM
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YES!!!!!!:)
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 8:32 PM
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Thanks for responding! Hmm, I'm going to have to go back and look again. It's possible it was Robin, but I thought the gang was all outside getting ready to come in at the opportune moment with their shiny shields. Mysterious, to say the least.
Guy at the Trip, drowning his sorrows once again? LOL! I doubt he could show his face openly at that point. Maybe if he borrowed a hoodie and sat in the shadows, like Aragorn.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM
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Actually the guard in question is Guy. There's no cleft in the chin like Robin has, and the mouth is definitely Guy's.
RA is tall as well, a shade taller than Jonas. And RA dyes his hair for this. His hair is actually a deep warm brown, not black like Guy's.
Robin was firmly in with the rest of the gang behind the shields. They parted the shields so he could shoot the crown out of PJ's hands from the middle of the shield wall. Which was a very cool trick. After all, he is Robin Hood.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I think it may be SGofG, but the facial hair is so light.................... I'll take yet another look. Ah, the things I force myself to do for this program
SNORT, SNORT!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 4, 2009 12:27 AM
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I know right? The things I will do to get just one more glimpse of Guy during the week are akin to mental acrobatics. The justifications (as flimsy as they often are) are endless.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 4, 2009 7:11 AM
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The light facial hair threw me off, too, but after looking at the still photo LNspook7 sent me, it's Guy behind the helmet. Maybe it was the lighting angle. I think you mentioned how people's eyes seem to change color in different scenes. I've noticed it, too. Robin's eyes look green to me most of the time, not blue.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 2, 2009 10:05 PM
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Actually, I was staring at the guard, too, and I think it WAS Guy. The dark eyes looked like Guy's
The guard was too tall to have been Robin - he was about the same height and build as RA - and I noticed that after the guard pressed forward, he then kind of subtley eased backward and disappeared through the side curtains - then a second or two later, Guy calmly walked out in his leather outfit and joined the crowd.
I think Robin's bunch were too busy getting the shields and themselves ready and getting to the church.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Pm'd you.
I think Guy may have been lurking around Locksley. It was once his, he would know where to hide and lie in wait for Isabella. Sleeping in the barn or something, maybe.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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That's possible. Obviously he didn't stray too far.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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LNspook, thanks for the PM. Sent you one back. Yep, it's Guy all right. My husband thought so, too, when I showed the picture to him.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Sure thing. My DH agrees as well.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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It's funny, somehow I never noticed the guard until I saw someone mention in a livejournal discussion that Guy lurks outside the church disguised as a guard. Yep, it's definitely him.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Thanks, one and all, for clearing up the mystery of the guard for me. Poor Guy, trapped in a cage--gotta love the growl, though! Can't wait for next week!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 3, 2009 11:38 PM
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did anyone notice, that when the gang is in the church, Robin slides his bow away from him, and when they all run out of the church, no one has the bow. But when they stop the abott to give him the crown Robin has his bow again. Did i miss someone carrying it out, or did he just stop by the 'famous supply shop' outside of Sherwood?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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The magical re-appearing bow seems to happen a lot this season. In episode 1, did Guy toss the bow over the cliff right after he tossed Robin? I was pretty sure he left it in the drowning pool last episode, but TA-DA! he had it back. I have a theory about why this happens, but if you haven't seen episode 10 yet, I won't elaborate here. Let's just say that the bow is plainly the weapon of the true and righteous.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM
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Don't ya just love it when weapons magically reappear? *smirk*
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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The bow IS the iconic weapon of The Legend after all.
I must admit though, one of THE best scenes of sword play in the entire series is here between Robin and his old master, Lord Sheridan. (The Guys LOVED it. It was beautifully filmed and staged too.)
This also marks another departure from his past for Robin.
A man who he once regarded as a teacher and mentor has gone astray, (just as Marian discovered with an old friend of her father's, the Sheriff of Winchester). One more reason to know that his old life had indeed ended, forever.
The church sequence was also inconsistent, but rang true under the circumstances, as MANY a battle took place in them, (church law be darned). But, yes, even crowned heads needed The Church on their side, thus, the willingness of Henry II to be flogged at at the tomb of his old friend, and martyred churchman, Archbishop Becket.
But the interesting comments from Isabella, "As much as I hate Robin Hood, he loves his country". Even SHE recognizes the necessity of keeping the line of succession in tact. Also curious when you consider that at that time, there WAS no formal line of succession worked out. Richard would not kill his brother, (being a religious man and unwilling to shed royal blood), so he, like his ancestor, William The Conqueror, would allow the survival of the fittest, and pit his nephew, Arthur, (son of his brother Geoffrey) and his Uncle John "duke it out" for the throne. I believe John attempted to remedy that little situation, but being occupied with survival himself for most of his reign, he may have tended to overlook that one for more pressing matters. LOL
LOVED the Archbishop, the man put up with John as much as he needed to, but no farther. (Later as King John, PJ would learn to his eternal regret, that it definitely WAS a VERY good idea indeed to have The Church on one's side. Of course, DOD, Henry, could have told him that.)
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I wish I could rewatch it, but it has somehow mysteriously disappeared off of my DVR. I suspect the housemates had something to do with that.
Well, I guess I will just wait till Saturday.....again....
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Don't you hate when that happens? At least you can catch it again next week. I think you can also preorder season 3, and it's supposed to be available in January. No commercials to fast-forward through, no pop-up annoying stuff blocking our view of the Sherwood men! Just pure RH heaven!
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Yes, I thought about preordering, but I enjoy going to the store on the day that movies are released and picking them up myself. I like that they can sit beside me in the car all the way home, and then almost magically jump into my DVD player the moment I get home.
I hate waiting for the mail, though...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I am LOVING PJ. He's such a diva!! His character fills in the void of the flamboyant and evil Sheriff.
Having said that though, there's was the one scene before the coronation when I'm afraid he looked like the BK mascot. Could have done without that image...
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Hi, welcome to the discussion!
LOL---the BK mascot! There IS a resemblance there.
Yes, we miss the Sheriff. PJ is just as bad in a different way. To me he's more scary because he's unpredictable.
Enjoy the show and please give your input to our discussions---everyone's comments add to this series and make it more fun.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM
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What the "BK mascot" ??
Is that something to do with sports ? Or something in RH that I can't remember what the initials are for ?
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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I think they meant the Burger King guy. the 'King' or whatever in the Burger King commercials.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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Yes, that guy. I think he's kinda creepy, actually. Like PJ.
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Re: "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" Season 3 Ep 8
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After reading all through the comments on this thread, I will agree that, in this series especially, Robin's bow frequently seems to magically reappear (I think he left it in the cistern under the dungeons, too, as I don't remember him climbing up Isabella's dress with it). I also remember wondering where the heck he got a sword right after that in the four-way fight scene. (He must be masquerading as a magician at night.) And my DH and I both questioned the "shedding blood in a house of God" after the arrows flew. We've commented a lot on the "gimmicks" that seem to pervade the third series. (Where did Isabella get the mustard bombs, and why weren't they foreshadowed so it didn't look like they came out of nowhere?) Despite that, I have ordered Series 3, at least so I have the entire collection on DVD.
My real question, totally unrelated to anything else posted, deals with this episode when Sheridan is chasing the gang with their sacks. After he's caught Kate and Much bravely comes back for her, the guard reaches into Much's sack and pulls out some kind of vine, then acts like it's burning him. Anyone know what that is? Apparently my lack of knowledge in botany is as bad as that of my French. Thanks in advance!
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