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Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 11:06 AM
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Synopsis from BBCA:
Robin breaks into Isabella?s chamber at night to strike a deal. If she?ll keep him informed about the Prince?s plans, he?ll protect her when the King returns. She calls for her guards but Robin escapes. Can he trust a Gisborne, male or female?
Get ready for someone from Izzy's past to show up. They will give marvelous insight into what she has become.
Guy will firmly set his feet on the path he is destined for, with a little help.
I know some have complained that this version of Robin Hood has somehow become the Guy of Gisbourne show. This has never been more true than with this episode. Robin makes a good showing, of course, but this one almost wholly belongs to Guy.
I think even those who hardened their hearts completely against Guy since he killed Marian will find some pity for him this week.
Those of us on Team Leather should stock up on Kleenex today, and get ready.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM
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Amen to that! Kleenex time for sure!
Yes, this episode is Guy's time to shine. A life-changing moment for him. We on Team Leather, between sobs, can cheer!
"The Guy of Gisborne Show"---so, what's the problem? LOL! (Look out! Incoming arrows! Gee, I'm just asking for it, aren't I?)
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 1:15 PM
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I have been so excited for the premiere of this episode, and I won't be home. For the next two weeks I have no life, no time- I'll be living out of my car and crashing on peoples' floors. I'm going to try and watch Monday, but don't be surprised if I completely drop off the face of the web 
Everyone else enjoy a major leap in the story arch!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 2:32 PM
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I hope you get a chance to watch Monday! 
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM
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Hey lexie,
Isn't that what God made DVR's for? (LOL)
But I think that we will have a re-cap marathon offered over the Thanksgiving Holiday, so you can catch up on all of them that way. (the big build up to The Finale.......)
Pokeygirl
Have fun "camping out" there, lexie!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 9, 2009 11:44 PM
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If you're not careful, we're going to have to make a trip to the Holy Land, kidnap Will and Djac and bring them back just so she can tend to your wounds.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 10, 2009 7:19 AM
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I know, I'm as bristled as a porcupine! But Maryrose has agreed to let me hide behind her shield with her--want to join us?
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 11, 2009 12:31 AM
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If I can have a shield that is as nice as Much's I will be sure to join you. Right now I'm batting the arrows way with Guy's sword, which he so graciously let me borrow.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 12, 2009 6:13 PM
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Very gentlemanly of him--LOL! There IS good in him, after all!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:01 PM
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One of Marian's greatest miracles starts to come true!!
Pokeygirl
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:27 PM
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Don't we know it!!!!!!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:32 PM
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WOW! Are we getting that close??
I'm starting to get all choked up. Must fight the tears......
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:36 PM
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Between the sobbing and the drool bib, I'll just be one leaky head tomorrow night!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 7:37 PM
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I know.....me too!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 6, 2009 8:16 PM
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Yeah, I was looking at my small desk calendar at work today (marked with "Robin Hood" on the Saturday's) and we're over halfway to the end now - only 5 left (counting tomorrow's) ! ! !
I know, I know, we had to wait SO LONG, and now it's going so fast ! !
(But we WILL have the DVD's (in January ?).
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 12:28 AM
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A wonderful episode for Guy...
I have seriously mixed feelings about where they went with Isabella and with Robin in this episode, and I will also add that it made a confirmed Kate-hater out of me.
Oh, and poor Much.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 7:27 PM
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Im not going to be able to watch tonight. My brother's making me go see Paranormal Activity with him(And some of yall may remember, I was scared to death to watch Book of Blood and it wasnt even scary!) and we dont have one of those fancy dvr things that you can tape it with. So i have to wait till next week when they show it again. So ill be kinda late posting on here about the episode, but ill enjoy reading all of ya'lls. Have fun tonight!
~Shell
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 7:37 PM
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Doesn't your brother have any sense of what's REALLY important in life? Taking you to the movies on RH night? LOL!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 8:18 PM
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I know right  Apparently luck is with me, cause he isnt gonna be home in time for us to go, so I get to stay here and watch Robin Hood!
~Shell
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 10:11 PM
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It looked like Robin was a lot higher up, than what he was. Ive feel before(out of a tree) and landed like he did, and busted my talebone. And that was just landing on ground. he landed on stone. Seems like he would have gotten up saying something, other than getting up laughing.
I actually feel sorry for Isabella. Thorton is so awful to her. I kinda understand why shes so mean now. I still dont like her, but I understand her.
I hate Kate! UGGGHHHH!!!!! Robin actually didnt want anything to happen with Kate, because he was being considerate of Much's feelings. So he kept her and Much together so maybe they would talk but no Kate goes and asks Much to talk to Robin for her. I would kill her if i could. You can see poor Much's heart breaking. And then we ended with Kate and Robin smooching. gross.
At least we get to see a little of Allan being his funny self. and some of his nice sword fighting.
I still cant believe Robin agreed to work with Isabella again. Didnt he learn the first time? Maybe he'll remember now. She's gonna be quite a problem from now own.
Meg and Gisborne were so heartbreaking. We finally get to see another side of Guy. The side that we caught a peek of every once in a while, when he was with Marian. You can really tell what its been doing to him having to live with the guilt of killing Marian. Ive never particually liked Guy, but he's making me fall in love with him.
I cant wait till next week. Its one of my favorites. itll be nice to see it on a decent sized screen:) (and with closed caption so i can understand what they're saying )
My favorites were:
"She saw good where there was none." It just melts your heart.
"For once, I agree with Gisbourne."
"I always quite liked you."
~Shell
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 14, 2009 10:53 PM
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Oh yes, I agree completely with you Robin. That scene with Meg. Ohhh. I am beginning to like Guy.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 15, 2009 7:26 AM
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This episode usually has that effect on people, even ones who weren't Guy fans before.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 8, 2009 4:04 PM
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Manxcatmom,
Robin Hood was always such a priority to me...schedule things around it etc, but last night I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I hope i'm at a better place next week. God, this is so silly that a show has me wrapped up like this, because I do need to see the end..need closure of sorts but its kind of depressing to me. I know this sounds so stupid *sighs*
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 8, 2009 6:23 PM
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If you think you sound stupid for letting this show get to you, then I do, too, and a lot of others on this board---LOL! You're in good company! I've never been so involved with a show before. In one way, I don't want it to end, in another, it'll be a relief when it does.
You've GOT to see this episode, make yourself watch it! It is sad, as you can tell if you've been reading these posts, but it's so moving, too. Guy finally coming to grips with what he's done, even though it's very painful, sets us up nicely for next week, and more amazing changes in his life and Robin's.
Just keep plenty of tissues on hand.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 11, 2009 12:51 AM
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I was (still am) so torn apart over Much. Part of me was cheering him to go, although I knew he wouldn't get far. Not really. Robin has obviously been part of his life for so long, I don't think he could stay gone.
As much as I am glad for Robin to finally pull his head out and see Isabella clearly, I hate him for Much. He knew, KNEW, that Much had feelings for Kate (although only God could explain that to me and I don't know that any explanation would be satisfactory) and he did it anyway. Shame on you, Robin!
Much the hero! Yay! It makes me very happy when Much does something that gives a glimpse into the sort of fighter he must have been to survive the Holy Land. Under all that fussiness and flair for the dramatic lies the heart of a true warrior. More of that, please. And throw a little real love Much's way, please. Where the devil is Eve when we need her?
I could rant all day about Kate, but I need to sleep tonight, and getting that riled up ain't good for me.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 10:14 PM
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I am just so totally repelled by the Kate/Robin thing I can't focus on anything else. Bad Robin... I'm very disappointed in him.
It was a good show otherwise. A good showing for Team Leather.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 8, 2009 7:11 AM
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I agree with you about the Kate/Robin sequences. They truly drove me into the "hate kate" camp! It just reminded me of how high school people would act. (pleae no offense to high schoolers if you are reading this). I loved Much leaving but returning when he knew he was needed. That is a sign of a good friend, which Robin should appreciate more.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 7, 2009 11:30 PM
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Okay I hate to be the one but I am just the kind of broad to say I told ya so? Chophra and I told ya so?.Guy is on the path of redemption. Yes the prayers of the savior women have begun to be answered.
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first : Isabella story one of redemption her attacker comes back and she is like most abused women, she cracks at the end of the abuse. Some compassion should be given to her although the performance did inspire me to not care so much because she is so cold. I think she may have to be to have survived that abusive although charming fellow.. kidding guys... But she did what her survival instincts that have been trained since she was a young teen to do and she is still her, but to blame Robin for this is pure Isabella and very evil ? witchy woman. (okay not the nice poster on other RA boards or the bad 70?s song.)
Meg: poor Meg. What a great character cut way too short but the actress played RA?s step daughter in another show so I sooo understand the chaste kiss. Some what a little creepy but so tender and transformational As he cradled Meg I thought he cradled Marian. It was heart breaking for us Guyaholics.
Guy: WOW where to start. His transformation was amazing. First he was the soulless being accepting of his damnation and accepting of his fate. He was already in hell. What is hell really but the absence of the sense of self and forgiveness. He was without love. Meg showed him and reminded him of love and goodness. Was I the only one that noticed how lovely she resembled Marian? He tried to save her by pleading to kill him, because she was an innocent. Self-sacrifice after self-realization steps in the right direction of redemption. When she was injured but the sword can you see the pain. He knows this all too well since he was both the assailant and the victim. He scooped her up trying to run from her pain and his. Was it not too poetic that they returned to the forest ot die? She looked so sweet and heart breaking when she said she always rather liked him. My heart broke and when he rocked her body. When Guy said he made her think and Meg reminded her of a woman who saw good when nothing resided there. It was like Marian was his savior, God sees good when there is none because He sees His reflection of His creation in us. Same with Marian she saw the reflection of the better man she thought was there. It is the beginning of the end of Guy.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 8, 2009 6:56 AM
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Yes, just what we "Guyaholics" have been waiting for!
I haven't had a chance to watch this episode yet (though I've already seen and commented on it quite a bit, as it's one of my favorites). Went to bed early with a migraine. My husband was surprised to get home from work and not find me glued to the TV!
So I'll re-watch and comment later. But everyone else's comments so far are bringing it all back. Guy breaks my heart in this one!
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I'm sorry about your migraine. I've heard people who get them suffer greatly from them. I'm looking forward to your post on the epidsode as your post are very insightful and enjoyable!
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Thanks, mcduffy! I'm feeling much better today. I only get migraines once in a while, not like some poor people who get them all the time.
Did you like this episode? I loved it, but then, it was very Guy-centric, so I would.
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Glad you are feeling better today and glad you don't get them often! I thoroughly enjoyed the episode (I'm a Guy-gal myself). I loved all the small kind acts he offered Meg (like wiping the worms off the bread, and comforting words heading to the block). There was alot to like, even Allan getting in some funny lines. But I really hope they keep Robin and Kate apart.
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Yes, a little glimpse of the man Guy could have been. I thought he was so brave walking out to his execution amidst all the booing. More concerned about Meg than himself. Quite a change from the selfish man he used to be.
Robin and Kate--no, doesn't work for me, either.
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Thanks for such a well written and thoughtful post. I thoroghly enjoyed your opinion of Guy's journey to redemption. I kind of thought his journey started in the episode "Do you Love Me". I thought there was a reason the sheriff found Guy alone in the chapel (before they tried to kill each other). Anyway great summary and insight to the whole show!
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Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM
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Hi Ramones!
Yes....it IS what we in Team Leather have been fighting for the past few seasons.....REDEMPTION for Sir Guy!!
I totally fought for it AND now I'm happy to see it start. I cried the most with this episode, for you truly start to see the transformation, starting with his eyes.
Meg was the instrument, an angel sent to him.
I know, I know....let the arrows dare to pierce my shield. I shall stand strong.
(I've been writing lately...tends to bring out the drama gal in me, lol!)
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Hey Maryrose, can I get behind that shield with you?
We knew Guy had to be brought low for this to happen. Well, he has, and now, as you say, the changes begin.
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Most definitely!!!
Plenty of room for any who believed in our Sir Guy, LOL!
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I've believed in him from S1 ep. 1, and that's no lie! Something good had to come out of the wreck of season 3--LOL!
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me too
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Man, Robin's kissing those two a lot lately ! ! ! !
He's pretty desperate to find someone to replace Marian, isn't he ??
(Jonas looks SO CUTE when he's sleeping (or acting asleep). I noticed that in the cave scene when Tuck saved him (S3, episode 1), and in BoB also (not in the film version so much because the TV version was so cut up, but in the gallery photo shots on one of the Jonas sites)
I finally saw them asleep in their beds in the camp tonight ! ! ! ! I didn't know HOW or WHERE they slept - the episode where Kate got stabbed and they had her lying on a bed in the camp - I thought they'd fixed a special place for her. The show has never actually done a good shot of how / where their beds were (with all the "camp mess") and the forest debris around them out there.
I DID feel SO SORRY for Much - actually he deserves better than Kate. Where did you guys say Eve "went" ?? Somebody go get that girl - our Much needs her TRUE love.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Ep. 9 - Isabella proves she is more than bad, mad and dangerous to know. And yes, Guy helped Meg, but the result was such a sorrowful end for her. Thornton on his way to the madhouse - priceless. Negate Robin and Kate - at once and forever!
Memo to Robin: Never trust Izzy. It's impossible to tame this shrew.
Memo to Guy: Never trust Izzy. It's a tragedy of errors.
Delectable lines: Allan - "Valhalla, isn't that somewhere near Norwich?"
Robin: "For once I agree with Gisborne." Words one never thought to hear.
Much leaving the gang was so sad; Much coming to the rescue, wonderful. At last, he is the hero, though unsung and thankless. That I do not like.
Misc: Can't they skip the dopey location titles already? We know what Sherwood and Nottingham look like, really.
Lara and Richard did good work this episode. I do not like thee, Dr. Fell, holds for their characters, not the actors.
Ep. 9 - the prelude to the 4 episode coda to our story. It should have been all's well that ends well; to our dismay, it seems to be the tempest and love's labor's lost. Now, it's really the two gentlemen from Sherwood show - or is it?
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Actually I like the location titles - let's me know exactly where they are. I'm not personally familiar with the regions over there in Europe, and there's a lot of wooded areas that DO tend to look alike, so it DOES help me relate.
Same with the towns / castle(s) / villages - according to the history books I've recently read through (Time/Life "Ages of Man, and two Irish history books), there were a LOT more settlements / towns / castles, etc. back then that have since disappeared due to abandonment, clan wars, etc.
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It all looks like metro Budapest to me!  I think you may be pulling my lower, but sadly not shapely, appendage, GM. Though every faux castle looks the same in RH, not one looks like the DW dream vision of Neuschwanstein. Is there a shortage of blue and white marble along the Danube? Enjoy the titles!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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As if Marian could be replaced! Come on, Robin, what were you thinking?
The scene where Guy is pleading for Meg's life comes to mind. Isabella, after listening to him, says "Proceed with the executions!" That woman must be carved from ice! I know a number of women who were abused by spouses, but none personally who turned that cruel against the rest of humanity. Poor Meg, what was her "crime" except to feel a bit of compassion for Guy? Oh, dear, many of us are guilty of that! Do you suppose Isabella would scream "Off with their heads!" about us, too?
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Do you suppose Isabella would scream "Off
> with their heads!" about us, too?
I can definately see her doing that. But dont worry, you wouldnt be alone.Youd even have me(a former Guy 'disliker') And then maybe Robin would save us.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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I would be in the crowd as well. I might just be at the top of their hit list since I was a Guyaholic since the very beginning.
I alwasy knew there was good deep under the folds of his black leather.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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That black leather is just so darn fetching, I confess! Will Guy change his glossy ebony look and sport a snow white jerkin in days ahead, or is that too too? Love long and well, you savior ladies all.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Oh, let's hope not! No, not white for Guy--he looks so totally hot in black! And I like him a LITTLE bad, he's more fun that way! All you other savior Ladies agree?
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nov 9, 2009 7:33 PM
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I don't think Guy should wear anything at all......*coffs*
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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LOL! That WOULD be the best look for him, wouldn't it?
Ahh, yes, "it's good to dream...."
P. S. to Cast 3131, have you watched yet?
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Nope, haven't watched yet...didn't even tevo last episode so next Saturday i'll be watching the 2 back-to back with tissue handy. *sighs*
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Despite the need for tissues, it's worth watching. Guy is simply amazing in this episode! He'll break your heart, in a good way.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Ohhhh PJ!!
A snow white jerkin (as his permanent attire in his new "home"?).....
Now THAT would be most "loverly".
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Finally got a chance to watch!
Do you suppose Thornton is some relation to Ruthless Rufus? Honestly, I don't know who's more awful. THEY should have worked for the Sheriff instead of Guy. There are comparative degrees of evil here, folks! Thornton, Rufus, and our dear (departed?) Sheriff make Guy look, as Vasey said, "all warm and snuggly."
Guy in the prison with Meg--so many good scenes there. I like when he calls her a stupid girl and says she doesn't know anything about it (when referring to his "sale" of Isabella) and she, not at all intimidated, shoots back, "I'm NOT a stupid girl, I'm Meg!" Wow, makes Guy sit up and take notice! A girl with as much spirit as Marian, just his kind of woman.
Some other good Meg remarks---"You always were a bit pleased with yourself", "look at you now, dirty, and miserable, and small", and, of course the best one "there must be some good in you yet."
I like the thoughtful look he gets when, after he complains about her "endless chatter", she says, "oh, come on, you're here, I'm here, what else are we going to do?" He's probably thinking---well, she's right. Better to have someone to talk to than sit here "in hell", brooding by myself.
Another very introspective expression on his face when Meg asks "no one actually seems sorry that you're on the way out--does that not make you feel sad?" Can you imagine him mulling over that one? And again when she says "Is your life really so empty that you don't care whether you live or die?" Yes, Meg is exactly what Guy needed to make him stop and think.
The catch in his voice, how it almost breaks, when he admits to Meg what he did to Marian--"I destroyed her, I destroyed everything" and he looks down in shame and grief---another heart-wrenching moment! *sob*
Guy, as someone pointed out on another thread, has never been one to ponder his own feelings all that much. Especially since he killed Marian. He's either been a complete emotional wreck or entirely closed off. Now that he's locked up, there isn't anything else to do, and he has to take a hard look at himself. Makes me wonder how long he was in there. Days, perhaps, even weeks? Isabella was just mean enough to leave him there for a while to inflict a little emotional torment on him. In any case, there was plenty of time on his hands to do some serious soul-searching.
Robin, Much, and Kate---I wanted to smack all of them! Another love triangle (Allan appears to have dropped out of the running), but this one lacks the passion of the Robin/Marian/Guy story. Kate is either clueless or extremely cruel to treat Much the way she does. Much needs to get over it--there are plenty of other fish in the sea. Robin finally has something in common with Guy--they both are repeatedly deceived by Isabella.
Loved that moment when Meg came running back with the keys to let Guy out of prison. The look on his face as he says "you would do this for me?" He can't believe anyone would risk so much to save him. Oh, I just wanted to hug him and tell him everything would be okay. (no arrows, please!)
My favorite Robin moment in this one was when he said "for once, I agree with Gisborne", and he stopped the execution. Loved how the axe lodged next to Guy's head, instead of in it! Only one person can shoot an arrow like that, and Guy knew who did it. Scared the stuffing out of him, no doubt.
Thornton got his comeuppance. Can't imagine anyone felt sorry for him. What made him so rotten, I wonder?
As many times as I've watched it, it makes me break down every time---Guy holding Meg and crying over her after she died. One of the saddest things I've ever seen in a show!
RA stated in one interview that he wanted to create a character that would make people's skin crawl. No slam on his incredible acting talent, but he didn't succeed here. I'm hopelessly in love with the bad boy in black.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Good comments, one and all. As usual, most of the salient points have been covered.
Yes, this was Guy's episode. For once this season, the frantic action stopped and we had wonderful scenes between 2 good actors just interacting emotionally. Guy's face was so expressive...while not moving a muscle. Kudos to him.
One other random thought..........along the lines of having to check "realism" at the door with this show............ where do all the castle guards come from? The body count of guards is pretty high over the past 3 seasons. I don't think they get them from the villages....so must have to come from London or somewhere...then must be "trained" (altho they are uniformly inept!!). Just one of those little things that we are willing to accept because we love this show.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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RA/Guy doesn't have to move a muscle on his face, or say a word. His eyes do all the talking for him in this episode.
Yes, about the seemingly endless supply of inept guards---where do they all come from? One of the mysteries of RH for sure.
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They must be the dregs of Caesar's lost legions recruited by the Sheriff for the lowest security contract bid. They're good enough for one melee with Robin and the gang, or one episode, whichever comes first. Saves on pension costs, surely.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Wow! What a great episode! It definitely felt like a standout from previous weeks, but then I admit to being a big Sir Guy fan. What great performances from all.
Still not really feeling Kate, but I do like Isabella. A very interesting and complex character. Was surprised when they killed off the sheriff and thought I would miss him, but find that the wildly eccentric and egotistical Prince John is filling that void.
Robin seems tougher and more conflicted to me this time around. Yet we still see his goodness and honor shine through. I think in some ways I'm enjoying him more than I did in previous seasons.
And hi to all the RH fans! Good to see everyone that stuck with it!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Glad to see you back as well, fair_maid! It's good to have so many of our old gang sharing the journey together. All for one and one for all - oops, wrong action adventure heroic tale. Why not "its good to dream" instead!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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It seems like our pool of posters has shrunk from the large numbers who used to join in, even occasionally. Looking back over earlier threads, before I got started sometime in the summer, there are a lot of names I never see here anymore. Where are you all? Lurking, or moved on to other things? I really hope some of you rejoin us for the last few episodes!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Just watched again with the DH. Can't get enough of the Guy/Meg scenes--I'm obsessed! So sad, and yet so beautiful, too. She was the only one who cared about him, and then she had to get killed trying to protect him. What's up with the writers, anyway? Can't Guy ever have a moment of happiness? I protest!!!!
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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I made it to a tv, after my late night and watched the recording, I haven't even been home since, but I mean really, what is home but a place to watch RH and wait out the rest of the week between episodes?
The previews seemed to try really hard to gear the episode toward the Robin/Kate/Much triangle. Were the writers purposely trying to tick us off this time? I think so. Stop tonguing everyone Robin!
Meg is amazing, she began reaping what Marian "sowed" One of the best one hit wonders they ever gave us.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Where to start...
Guy & Meg: It's really amazing that this storyline works so well, because if you summarize it, it honestly sounds like a Mary Sue fic written by a teenage Guy of Gisborne fangirl. (For those of you who are not fandom people, "Mary Sue" is a term for a fanfic character who basically personalizes the author's own romantic fantasies about a canon male character or characters.) Guy gets locked up with a feisty teenage girl who manages to touch his heart, reconnect him to his inner nice guy (nice Guy? sorry... :D) and give him his first glimpse of redemption. And then saves his life and expires in his arms after a tender kiss. And yet somehow it does work; I'm not sure if it's the writing that lifts it above cliché, or the performances. Holly Grainger definitely did a great job of conveying both Meg's sometimes charming, sometimes annoying innocence, and Richard Armitage was just superb in those scenes.
There's a fanfic-in-progress called There Is Too Much, a kind of ballad-style commentary on the episodes chapter-by-chapter, and the Dangerous Deal one (just posted yesterday) has some very interesting insights -- but there was one I loved in particular, that after so many years of believing that the only way to show his love for someone was to share his wealth and power with them, Guy finally starts on the road to redemption by sharing his last piece of moldy maggot-infested bread (ew) with a girl in a dungeon. It's also fitting that after Guy has spent years of building up defenses and rationalizations around his actions, the simple and almost childlike words of an innocent girl cut right through them (I think that when she says "It is your fault, all of it!" it applies, in his mind, to much more than Isabella's situation). Of course it's possible that by then he's prepared to hear those things, having truly hit rock bottom and being hours away from death. I love the moment when Meg frees Guy from the dungeon and he says, with a look of joy and disbelief in his face, "You'd do this for me" -- I think it's not so much gratitude for his rescue (I'm sure he probably knows he won't get very far) as gratitude and amazement that a good person can care about him. I agree that mourning Meg is Guy's chance to mourn Marian by proxy, so to speak (someone in a LiveJournal discussion, I think, has also made the interesting point that Guy gets to mourn his "Marian" in the traditional Robin Hood setting of Sherwood Forest, while Robin mourns and buries Marian in the Holy Land). Also, I wonder if her last words to him -- "I always quite liked you" -- are meant to counterbalance Marian's final words of rejection. (Interesting that even when Meg was berating Guy in the beginning, her "the man in black on his black horse" sounded rather dreamy ... sounds like she always had a bit of a crush on him.)
Isabella: Not sure I like where they're taking her here. I mean, I like the fact that she is at least partly a sympathetic villain, because while she's clearly "bad" and duplicitous one can also see what made her that way when we see what a sadistic, terrifying creep Thornton is. (Until this episode a lot of people thought that Isabella might be lying about how abusive her marriage was and that maybe she just ran away because her husband was a boring decrepit old man.) I don't like that they basically make her go off the deep end, toward the end of the episode. Ambiguous, opportunistic, practical, devious Isabella is far more interesting to me than crazy Isabella.
I do find it interesting that while Meg gives Guy a push toward redemption, she gives Isabella a push toward damnation -- the sympathy Izzy gains as Thornton's victim is quickly squandered when she condemns Meg. I can see, though, how Meg's actions are a total betrayal in Isabella's eyes. I think that Isabella shares with Guy a really strong reaction to real or perceived betrayal (witness her treatment of poor Meg!). She also feels betrayed by Robin, and now sees him as just another male trying to dominate her and control her life and her choices. Btw, Robin's accusation of "murder" when she so clearly killed Thornton in self-defense was rather mind-boggling. I can't believe that the writers/producers expected us to sympathize with Robin in this instance -- otherwise they would have at least made Isabella's actions more ambiguous.
Kate... geez, where to begin. I really had to roll my eyes when Robin tells her at the end that he has seen her as the woman she is -- "compassionate, brave, beautiful." (Heh -- I used to think this episode ended with Guy crying over Meg.) Compassionate? to whom? Isabella, whom she would have left to the tender mercies of her horrific husband? Much, whom she so charmingly asked to talk to Robin and give the green light for her romance with him? Can't recall her displaying too much bravery during this episode either, and I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but she's no Marian or even Meg, that's for sure. The Kate I saw spent most of the episode being a sulky, whiny, annoying, self-centered rhymes-with-rich. I really, really do not see the point of the Robin/Kate "romance," and the fact that it's so heartbreaking to Much makes it worse than pointless. Finally we get some good Much material (I love that he gets to save the day!), but in the process his poor heart gets totally trampled on. And Little John saying that Kate is "worth more than any treasure"??? I wonder if his attempts to set up Robin and Kate were due simply to his dislike and mistrust of Isabella.
Nice to see a couple of cheeky moments from Allan, but I kind of cringed at his "Yeah, and they'll make a donkey an Archbishop" comment; since when is Allan such a sexist? Also, shouldn't there be a bit more reaction from him to the prospect of Guy's execution? Yeah, Guy tried to have Allan killed in 3x01 and all that, but still, they do have a pretty complicated history that included a real friendship. I'm sure he wouldn't show any regret in front of the gang, but it would have been nice to have at least a reaction shot.
It was also a bit odd that Robin seemed so indifferent to Guy's impending demise. This is the man who arguably ruined his life but to whom he also has an undeniable connection, albeit one rooted in rivalry. You'd think that he would want to be there for the big moment, or maybe even try to get into the dungeon to confront Gisborne one final time about Marian's death. Actually, that might have been a better way to handle Guy's rescue -- if Guy asked Robin to get Meg out of the dungeon and Meg refused to leave without Guy. I guess one possible way to explain Robin's indifference is that maybe by this time he is no longer sure how he feels about Guy getting chopped up, so he can't exactly be gleeful about it but it's also not like he's going to mourn his death ... so he simply avoids dealing with it. Which sort of makes sense, but also feels like a bit of a rationalization for something that was basically an oversight from the writers, the director, and maybe even the actor.
All in all, a mixed bag. 10 out of 10 for Guy and Meg, 7 for Isabella, one for Robin/Kate ... eh, these calculations are getting complicated, but all in all I'll rate it an 8 out of 10 just because I love the Guy material so much and Isabella has some great moments (and while the Much material was heartbreaking, it was also well-acted).
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Really enjoyed your comments! This was an episode I could watch over and over again. Especially the Guy/Meg scenes. That bread--yuck!! But if you're really hungry....I suppose if Guy didn't get all the maggots out, and she ate a few, they're just a little extra protein.
Anyway, I loved the progression from Meg being a chattering nuisance to a stupid girl who whines too much to someone he would share his last crust of bread with. Yes, it could have been cliche, but somehow it wasn't. The scenes were well-written and so beautifully acted. RA did a tremendous job of conveying Guy's despair and hopelessness.
Hadn't thought about Allan, but you're right--wonder what he was thinking/feeling about Guy's execution? For a while they did have a "friendship" going on, albeit a very strange one. I'm sure he had mixed feelings about it.
And Robin? Well, he did stop the execution. His intent was to save Meg, but still, he helped Guy out as well. Perhaps deep down he wasn't ready to watch him die, either. IMO, I think at this point that his hatred of Guy has largely burned itself out. He has been an eyewitness all along to Guy's downfall. Maybe that has satisfied his need for revenge.
I was surprised that Robin accused Isabella of murder as well. I thought it was self-defense. My goodness, Thornton was going to kill her with his bare hands. What was she supposed to do, let him?
Robin/Kate----no. Plain and simple. Not going to pick on Kate here, but it doesn't work. Actually, Much/Kate doesn't work for me, either.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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LOL (and EWWW!) at the "extra protein" from the maggots!
I actually think that Robin's need for revenge was satisfied to a large extent when he realized that Guy was so tormented by his killing of Marian that he wanted to die and that he "lives in hell."
Remember, he stopped Isabella from skewering Guy in Ep 7.
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This is true. All along Robin has been watching Guy lose everything that meant anything to him. No doubt he derived a certain satisfaction in it. But, as we know, he has stopped himself on several occasions from killing Guy or allowing someone else to do it--this last time by stopping the execution. A complicated relationship between these two, isn't it?
So, what's the problem with a little juicy maggot protein? Adds extra flavor to that old dry crust of bread, too. A sandwich spread of sorts.
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I think part of that relationship is that Robin knows, deep down, that Guy is the only other person who shares and truly understands his grief for Marian. And yeah, that's very weird and messed up considering it's Guy who killed her, but -- nonetheless true.
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Hi MM,
A complicated relationship, indeed.......
(It gets even MORE complicated next week, (is that even POSSIBLE?...."Ohhhh Yes", (to quote the darlin one).
Throughout this entire series, Robin and Guy have been doing something of an "honor dance". ( I don't know the exact word in the Mohawk language, but it comes out to that in English. )
When warriors met on the field, to give your opponent the quarter to do you harm, was to honor his skills, his courage, and yes, his compassion. By his doing the same for you, meeting his challenge of life, and death, ("How we face death is at least as important as we face life".........Anyone remember what film that line came from?);
it is THIS that allows BOTH of you to go into "the happy hunting grounds" with your dignity and your humanity intact.
THE greatest achievement in battle,
NOT,
victory.
Winning or losing came in the act of keeping this "warriors' honor", and not whether you live or died. (In fact it simply wasn't the point at all.). What mattered most was HOW you left this life.
Robin had already met his challenge in The Holy Land, and Guy had failed his miserably, not just once, (with his near fatal stabbing of Robin), but twice, (or even three times?) with Marian. By leaving his "mark" on BOTH Robin AND Marian, Guy became responsible for them, ( and their souls).
Knowing that revenge simply was not the point either, AND that like Guy's holding the keys to Nottingham, he would NEVER get the satisfaction he sought (over Marian's murder), Robin makes the decision to follow a course of action that would keep both HIS and Guy's humanity AND "warriors' honor" intact. And MOST important, would keep Marian close to his heart.
The look on Guy's face when he realized that the axe had been "detoured" in a manner that only one man could do it, he KNEW that he and Robin had left yet another "mark" upon each other, and that NOTHING would ever be the same between them.
It was this act of salvation that would open the way for both of them to leave this world with their human honor and integrity very much ALIVE.
Pokeygirl
BTW: concerning those maggots......hasn't anyone heard of those honey covered locusts that John the Baptist ate in the Judean desert? (They're considered quite a delicacy to this day.....(cough, cough,...gag, LOL). Seriously, I've had some their not that bad. (Haha)
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That quote is from Star Trek II, isn't it? Kirk talking to Saavik?
Very good (and appropriate) quote!
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You know Jules,
come to think of it..................................
This episode was the beginning of Robin and Guy's "Kobyahsi Maru Test", no?
By the end of S3 they BOTH pass that test with FLYING colors!.....
(And so does our darlin Allan....Long live those fabulous baby blues!!)
But I must admit, even though that test carried no pass or fail, right or wrong, (at least that I can remember),
if I had to give ANYONE superior marks for MORE than passing this test?..........
it would HAVE to be Marian; she quite simply and unDENIABLY.....
broke the mold.
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It was a test of character. How do you react in a no-win situation?
Yeah, I think it certainly applies. And Marian wins, IMO!!!!
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Absolutely Jules,
Marian did better in this department than Robin and Guy put together,
she DOES win,
hands down!
(IMHO)
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Hey Jules,
The Guys came up with another "ST" line they think also applies to Marian: (I think its a good one!):
(Were I to invoke logic, then logic clearly dictates that );
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...........OR
The one."
(IMO: this also describes Robin and Allan too: All three of them were chosen as martyred to save SO many, no?; But Marian did open the door.......................)
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The axe landing next to Guy's head on the block, and the look on his face as he realizes who has done it, is one of my favorite Robin/Guy moments. Made me laugh, actually! Like Robin was saying "Yep, I can kill you any time I want. I'm choosing not to." Leaving their "mark" on each other once again. I agree with you, I don't think Marian would have wanted Robin to kill Guy when all's said and done. (hold that shield for me, Maryrose!)
Next week these two cross paths again! In the meantime, PG, I've gone back to the local library to order "Robin and the King". I enjoyed "Sherwood" very much. One of my favorite little exchanges between Robin and Ralf was when they were in the chapel together, and Robin, as he's leaving, tells Ralf "Alms for Jacky?" I can just see our Robin saying that, with a twinkle in his eye and that mischievous grin. And Ralf/Guy's smirk in return. Can't wait to read more about these two---they make better friends than enemies.
Honey covered locusts? Probably very nutritious, but no, I'll pass. Better than roasted grubs, I suppose. At least they'd be crunchy, not gooey.
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Hi MM,
That was one of my Robin/Ralf moments too!!
The other "jacky" moment was the Nottingham tournament. (Making Judith the "Queen of The Fair" was a masterstroke on the part of Queen Matilda, wasn't it? I absolutely loved THAT lady too. No more than 4'9" and married to a 6'4" giant of a man, and yet SHE held greater influence and power over the great William The Conqueror than anyone on earth. What a couple!! Almost makes Henry II and Eleanor a "follow up" act, no?).
Ralf parading Judith around the fair grounds on his horse, the crowds cheering, and then there's Robin, stumbling along with "alms for Jacky?", With Judith the only one who recognized him, ("Oh, go away, you impossible scamp!") , right in front of Judith, Marian,his mother, Maud, the Queen, and of course, Ralf. Laughed till I cried!! In fact, even Queen Matilda recognized Judith's abilities as extremely valuable, ("My Lord, what an ambasador you would have made!, Even to The Vatican!"),. WONDERFUL moments. (Oh, what our tv RH writers missed.......).
RATK is REALLY going to tug at the old heart strings, MM. (Get out those tissues!)
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Yes, the tournament scene was so funny! Can't you see our Robin thumbing his nose at Guy in the same way? An "impossible scamp"!
I liked Queen Matilda, too. And thanks for the warning about RATK. I've already got quite a sizable stock of tissues for the S3 finale, but I'll add a few more cartons for this book.
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Oh yes indeed MM,
I could SO see the Darlin One doing JUST that! Haha.
My favorite Queen Matilda moment though was her midwifing Marian's and Robin's first child (Edward), into this world. (Well, after having nine children of her own, she DID know what she was doing, no?)....Ralf's reaction to the time when Marian's water broke...funny and touching all at the same time......Simply unforgettable. (even suffering through the pains of labor, Marian just KNEW her Robin was still alive somewhere)....
(BBC writers.........what you missed!...Sighhhhh)
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A quick question... I see some people here quoting Guy's line about Marian as, "She sowed good where there was none." Is that what he said? Because I'm pretty sure it was "she saw good where there was none." It also goes with Meg's earlier comment, "Maybe there's some good in you yet." (Which is what made him think of Marian -- she was the only person, before Meg, to see good in him.)
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It is "saw good where there was none." It was a misquote somewhere back when everyone was watching online that just never got corrected.
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Hi ladykate,
Come to think of it,
because Marian always saw the good that no one else did,
she did indeed end up sowing seeds of good where nothing was growing before.
(Our Lady Huntington is about to reap a bumper crop, no?).
With her husband bringing in the harvest no less, LOL).
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Seeing good, or sowing good, either one works.
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My DH gets a big laugh out of the way we on this board scrutinize every scene and every nuance of expression from the actors. WE ARE OBSESSED!!
On that note, a couple more observations/questions. Do you think Meg's last name being "Bennett" was a nod to another feisty female of a later century? We know how they like to play with names on this show. And what was the reference to the stone around her neck?
This may be a real stretch, but do you suppose, in addition to the pleasure of scaring his enemy half to death, Robin also dropped that axe blade next to Guy's head to give him something sharp so he could cut himself loose? Get himself free and then rescue Meg (at least he tried! *sob*) Perhaps Robin realized Guy would attempt to rescue Meg in all the confusion, so he gave him the chance. Anyone agree, or am I just romanticizing again?
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An observation:
When Meg and Guy are locked up, and Meg tells Guy, "And now you're going to be executed," Guy turns to look at her very suddenly and pauses for a split second before he growls back, "From the looks of it you're not far behind!" After that, though, he becomes quite mellow and downcast; vulnerable. I wonder if even knew that his sister had sentenced him to be executed, or if he found out from Meg in that moment and didn't want to let her know that she knew something he didn't? I could almost see the "Guy wheels" turning for a moment as he tried to figure out a way to escape and then relax when he realized within himself that he might not really want to.
What do you guys think?
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Hmm, interesting thought. Not sure. Maybe up until Meg said that , Guy didn't know for sure what was going to happen to him. Hard to say. In any case, he sure looked sad lying there. When she said " I hope you go to hell!" and he turned away, his face back into the shadows, and said very softly, "I'm already there"---OOHHH! Such despair in his voice!
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It really shows what a good actor RA is! He can express so much with the smallest line or with a look. I think this is why I enjpy it so much ( and, umm he's quite easy on the eyes).
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He's the reason I watch this show, mcduffy! A very talented actor, and swoon-worthy, too!
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I love a good swoon!!!!!!!
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The blissful fainting swoon is delightful, it's the hard thud on the floor that comes right after it I could do without. We need to reintroduce the old-fashioned fainting couch!
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Gosh....l'm SO glad your're on Team Leather mm!!
Thanks for keeping the fires burning in our camp!! LOL!
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I agree it is great to see some fabulous posters on Team leather. It gives me a smile in my savior complex woman heart.
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I can appreciate the merits of Robin, Allan, etc., but at heart I'm Team Leather all the way through! I am most definitely "stirred" by him!
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He's the original reason I intended to watch the series at all!
I believe he said he wanted to create a character that "made your skin crawl"?
Well, I think that's where he failed....
Guy's actions may have made you cringe, but each little window into his heart and soul made you bleed for him, (and for anyone who loved or cared about him).
And then of course, there's that swoon/drool/hot quality too, no?
(A CLUE?????.........................You Better Believe It!!!, LOL).
Dang it....my screen is starting to get the old "fog problem" again..(TeeHee).
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I know, poor RA failed as an actor to "make our skin crawl"--except maybe in a good way?
Perhaps it's because he's reportedly such a nice bloke in real life that the niceness shines through even when Guy is being his most awful. It's also the way he portrays Guy, of course, with all his complexity and layers and glimpses into his vulnerable and lonely soul that make us "bleed for him".
Yep, for me, too, it was the character of Guy who caught and held my attention when I started watching this show. His personality, and yes! the hotness factor!!!! Oops, my screen is fogging up, too!
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I get that way thinking of ......
the camera shots of Jonas "sleeping" in S3, episode 1 (in the cave after Tuck rescues him), again of hm "sleeping" in the outlaw camp (this last Saturday ? - this week has been SO busy for me, I'm ALMOST forgetting which day is which).
BTW, when I commented the other day that JA looks "so cute when sleeping", I didn't mean "like a little boy - cute", I meant "like a cute guy - cute".
But the photo of JA that REALLY gets me "fogged up" is not from RH - it's one of the photo stills from BoB. The bedroom "dream" scene where Simon & 'what's her name" are "getting it on" (I'm trying to be delicate here to keep from having my comment removed) - there's a camera shot of hiim "feeling the excitement" of what they're doing - WOOOW ! ! ! ! How he so realistically acts it out in his facial expression can definitely "fog YOU up ", if you get my drift. (I'm going to have to get the DVD some way, because all they show of that whole "dream scene" in the TV version is a distance scan through a sheer curtain - there's a WHOLE LOT more of the scene in the photo stills)
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Hi GM,
I don't know about you, but I thought that Sophie Ward (I believe that was her name?, I can't remember; I mean she was SO forgettable; I'm sure she's a decent actor, but here she was WOEFULLY miscast, (IMO), as such a poor match for Jonas, that I tried to imagine JA and LG as Robin and Marian (as they never got to be but should have been), THEN it gets a bit more romantic AND erotic for me, LOL.
Pokeygirl
(But Ohhhhh yesss, Jonas does indeed "react" beautifully in that scene!, my screen is fogging up now and my drool bib is quite properly soaked, LOL)
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You hit it ! ! ! ! the word IS "erotic" - I was just hesitant to use that word, but that's EXACTLY the word I think of watching JA's facial reaction to the "sex" they're having in that scene.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Oh, yes, my feelings about Guy are changing rapidly!! After last week and this. Oh my goodness. Never thought that I would see the day that I would say that I am looking forward to see the transformation in Guy.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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But Meg was right. He did look a bit "small" sitting there in his cell, brushing maggots off the crust of bread for her.
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Yep Jules,
He was small indeed, but it took THAT to finally make him the hero he so desperately wanted to be. In that very moment, the Guy that was worthy of salvation was born and he became the hero that Marian would have probably married.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Didn't the writers of this show say they wanted Gizzy to be someone who "had just missed being Robin Hood"? If his life had turned out differently, or he had made better choices, yes, he could have been the hero. As it is, I find it impossible to hate him. He has my pity and sympathy instead.
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Re: Episode 9-A Dangerous Deal
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Yep MM,
We can thank RA for his marvelous ability convey the many layers of a very romantic character while showing his bad side on the surface. DM and FA did indeed conceive Sir Guy as someone who just barely "missed the boat".
Thats why me and The Guys thought it would have been a far more interesting approach to the story to have allowed all four of them, Guy, Robin, Isabella, and Archer,. to grow up together in the same house. The three brothers, each with different skills, and similar traits, would have been competitive and cooperative with each other. but, only one one of them would have become Robin Hood. It would have been SOOOOO interesting to see which one of them would have become Robin Hood eventually.
Just another thought...............which one of them would have wound up with Marian?
Robin, Guy, or Archer?
Anyone want to chime in on this one?
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Another alternate storyline, PG! One with a happier ending, too, it sounds like.
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As much as I would love to say Guy I know Marian and Robin were destined to be together maybe you could make Meg survive and have Guy and her create that home he so needed. Now Archer the really cheeky chap needs to be with someone of serious wealth and beauty. He needs an equal with bucks.
Robin and Marian(they were meant to be no matter what us Guyaholics want)
Guy and Meg (He needs a young sweet thing to bring out the best and tenderness in him. He has struggled enough)
Archer and Lady X who is rich and feisty.
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Oh Ramones,
I LOVE it!!!
Yes,
Guy desperately needs Meg, ..she would be so very good for him and be loyal to a "T". (Well he gets her "eternally" anyway....I know its off camera, but thats another glaring omission by the writers),
Archer,
Definitely someone who needs a "parent" to marry. And yes, because of his harsh childhood, a wealthy and beautiful one at that. Perhaps someone like Queen Eleanore?
Robin and Marian
.....FOREVER............I agree THIS one is in the stars, kismet, Karma, Fate.........a force of nature............(what ever...)
Mess with it and you get kicked in the butt............(as Guy found out the hard way)....
And he even admits this fact of life, to Robin before he "goes to Glory"
But it would have been so very interesting to just which one would have become THE Robin Hood............wouldn't it?
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Oh, not Queen Eleanor, she belongs with John! Love the idea though.
It's like a medieval Sit-Com plot in a way. "The Brothers of Sherwood", the three competitive men and ther crazy sister that interjects herself, love triangles, etc. It would also bring in that very possible theory that "Robin Hood" was not just the story of a single man, but a legacy that may have passed through may men and many ages. From what I can tell we have three possible plots to play with in our new CFH:
-S3 beginning with Marian actually surviving
-S2 ending with Guy killing the Sheriff and marrying Marian
- An alternative show (starting maybe at the end of S1? Or before...?) with the three brothers together.
Oh the possilities, they could all be 4 word stories with their own pages.
I've actually been working on some ideas for the second alternative with a Guy/Marian match at the end of S2. S3 would have been so epic.
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I still like the idea we came up with on another thread some time ago--put Guy on trial before King Richard, with an uncertain outcome. And Robin and Archer coming to his defense. What a nail-biter that would have been!
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Hey MM,
Yes, I remember that one too.
Maybe we could roust that little old thread up to the forefront before this forum goes to that "big forest in the sky"?
Guy on trial for his life before King Richard (he does actually make it back to England AND did indeed participate in a siege on Nottingham Castle, aided by one David, Earl of Huntington, a Scotsman, I believe ) . Guy's situation dire, Robin torn in two over his new found loyalty to Guy, and his sworn fealty to his monarch, and Archer perhaps the only one able to think clearly enough to know what to do?
Yes, I think THAT one would be great to start on our new CFH, no?
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Great potential story and a missed opportunity for the writers, but.....
I'm not sure my heart could take such an episode! By the end of it my fingers would be chewed off, my hair all pulled out, my clothes soaked through with sweat, and I'd be unconscious on the floor, overcome by anxiety and heart palpitations. And in need of serious therapy when I came 'round. Unless, of course, the outcome was a happy one. That would be therapy enough!:)
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Well,
maybe not Eleanor, but perhaps one of her noble ladies in waiting?
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> Oh, not Queen Eleanor, she belongs with John! Love
> the idea though.
Whew. For a moment I thought you meant Prince John. I was like, WHOA! She's his MOTHER!
From what I can
> tell we have three possible plots to play with in our
> new CFH:
> -S3 beginning with Marian actually surviving
> -S2 ending with Guy killing the Sheriff and marrying
> Marian
> - An alternative show (starting maybe at the end of
> S1? Or before...?) with the three brothers together.
> Oh the possilities, they could all be 4 word stories
> with their own pages.
I'm intrigued -- what do you mean by 4-word stories?
> I've actually been working on some ideas for the
> second alternative with a Guy/Marian match at the end
> of S2. S3 would have been so epic.
Oooh, that one I want to see!
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I've been toying with the alternative ending for a while and intend on fully setting it to paper once my NaNoWriMo escapade is finished. I'm not sure if I can post it on my Blogspot, the format seems difficult to work in, Livejournal would probably suit it better, but I don't want to cross over- any suggestions anyone?
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I don't see any problem with crossing over to livejournal -- that's where most Robin Hood fanfiction is hosted. People with blogspot accounts can post feedback on LJ through Open ID, so that's not a problem.
PM me if you need any more advice on this.
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Well, personally I don't believe in fate or stars or kismet, and to me the idea that some people are "meant to be together" actually sounds more like a curse than a blessing. LOL.
To me, if Guy had turned his life around and become a better man, he would be FAR more deserving of Marian than Robin because (IMO) he loved her much more. For Guy, Marian would always be the center of his life ... for Robin other things were always going to be more important.
Personally, I cannot see Guy ever "moving on" if Marian married Robin. He might have married someone in order to have a family, and maybe found some affection and contentment in that marriage, but Marian would always be the one and only love of his life.
Also, don't hate me but I so do not see Guy and Meg together as a couple. No way. For one thing she is way too immature and naive to be able to have a relationship with a man who has such demons. I didn't think for a moment that he was in love with her -- IMO, they bonded because she was willing to show him sympathy at his lowest moment and rekindle the goodness in him, and because she reminded him of Marian ... if she had lived I think he would have been very protective toward her but more like one would be to a little sister. I don't think it was a romantic feeling. If Guy did marry someone I'd hope it would be someone older and more mature. (Not older than him, lol ... older than Meg.)
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